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Post  Dirt Bike Dave Mon Feb 06 2017, 17:13

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Clear straight, no traffic, dry road...................What you reckon...was He

A. Unlucky to be caught
B. On a Death wish
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C. Telling the truth

Either way hes got 4 months in prison for it........... Shocked

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Post  SteveCat Mon Feb 06 2017, 17:32

I'm probably biased and say A, having something similar (albeit not as fast) happen to me yesterday. Guess it had to happen one day, just the agonising wait now for the surprise in the post.

Not been that brilliant a weekend, got a puncture Saturday which I repaired and all looked good, checked it again yesterday, yip OK but a slight loss of pressure.
Stupid or unlucky, after the camera incident the bike won't go around the twisties - oh no another puncture. Either this one didn't repair well or I have yet another.
My mini compressor couldn't pump up the last attempt a few miles from home, so might not be able to ride it to the tyre place - ah well, off with the tyre and carry it on the bus then!
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Post  Dirt Bike Dave Mon Feb 06 2017, 17:58

Bummer Steve, hope its not too sore on the wallet and you get the tyre sorted..
I'm kind of leaning towards A and C on this one....The speed he was going is ridiculous for public roads but he knew the road , no traffic and it was a straight so really he was only putting his own life at risk....unless of course there were junctions in the road where someone could pull onto the road...that factor is unknown in the report...
Either way i'm guessing he wont do it again...after all the law is the law i suppose, you take your chances and you know the risks..

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Post  Wooster Mon Feb 06 2017, 18:57

As soon as I saw the place mentioned I figured he was a bit daft, as well as a bit unlucky.
I know that bit of road quite well, and always suspected it was practically made for a mobile speedtrap....seems it is. :/

He tied the Cops hands I reckon (if he wiped himself out further down the road and it came to light they'd let him go.....), and C seems unlikely.
...you might get away with claiming you didn't realise you'd hit 80mph, but saying you didn't know you were vastly exceeding the speed limit is kicking the arse out of it...which is probably why they kicked his arse in jail. green smile
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Post  Radar Mon Feb 06 2017, 22:30

He was unlucky, but he deffo knew he was motoring
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Post  Rosco Wed Feb 08 2017, 11:35

Sore one regardless.

He mighten not have known exactly how fast but he'd would have known a rough ball park of feckin fast.

I wonder if joe bloggs first offence would have got the same treatment or if there was any history.

Let's not try and find out through Smile

Fingers crossed for you too Steve.

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Post  Radar Wed Feb 08 2017, 20:21

Meant to say good luck Steve also!
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Post  furball Fri Feb 10 2017, 20:03

Very unlucky, but he should have know better living around that area, and where they set up speed traps...

I think i kinda know him...

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Post  bobh Fri Feb 10 2017, 22:35

As an IAM observer I'm obliged to say that he should have been keeping strictly to the NSL. And if you get caught breaking the law you get punished - simple.

On the other hand, as an experienced motorcyclist I'm torn. I've done that sort of speed on track, and I know it really doesn't take long to wash it off to somewhere near half that - the wind will almost tear your knees and head off, even without brakes! But you have to take into account what any merging traffic etc. might reasonably expect, so if it had been 120-ish I might have been more sympathetic.

But why a custodial sentence, at great expense to the public purse, and disruption to this guy's life which may make him more liable to offend again in future? A suspended one, where ANY minor infringement might mean a spell inside, could be a lot more (cost) effective. Of course, I don't know the background, so there may be other circumstances. But I have some experience of the French legal system (not as a defendant, I hasten to add!), where suspended sentences are much more common, and they do seem to work very effectively as a deterrent to future offending, without costing the state a penny (well, a Euro cent anyway)!
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Post  Wooster Sat Feb 11 2017, 14:50

It's worth noting he didn't get jailed for speeding, the conviction was for dangerous driving which is far more likely to receive a custodial sentence.

I didn't make the distinction myself when I first read it. :/
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Post  WGL2013 Mon Feb 13 2017, 11:19

As a side point Scotland is different to the rest of the UK in that excess speed can lead to a charge of dangerous driving, elsewhere there would have to be something else to aggravate things (maneuver, overtake etc) or it would just be plain old speeding.

That speed really is excessive though, especially on an old bike that had been layed up for 8 years and wasn't running right! Is prison right for this case, I cant see why unless there is some 'background' to the rider in question.

A final wonder.... why does the article say he explained his defence to social workers?
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Post  Wooster Mon Feb 13 2017, 11:49

Possibly in addiction rehab or recovering from mental problems, or both. (At least two of my neighbours have social workers.)
...I think you're right that there's some background we're not seeing.



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