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Post  Catnapper on Thu Mar 03 2016, 13:34

I'm getting a new shed so hopefully the 'cat can have a permanent home.
I'm thinking of insulating it and boarding the walls, however I'm concerned it may cause more problems as I think it would create more moisture.
Any scientists among us who can advise!!!!
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Post  dudeofrude on Thu Mar 03 2016, 18:27

I don't know about more moisture etc but it sure will cost a bit haha. I keep mine in a shed, I carpeted the floor to catch any leaks, and covered the walls in 3mm ply to keep wind out.
When it's damp out I just have a king-size quilt cover to throw over it. Has been there through 2 winters so far with no problems
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Post  Catnapper on Thu Mar 03 2016, 18:45

Already got the insulation. 8'x4' sheets ain't that expensive if you know the right people Wink
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Post  bobh on Thu Mar 03 2016, 21:40

I'd say do it.

It's not cold temperatures as such that give problems, it's when there's a rapid change in air temperature from cold and dry-ish to warm and damp that you get condensation on the bike, because the bike stays cold for longer.  So anything that slows the rate of change of temperature, which insulation will, has to be a good thing.

But you also need some ventilation to allow moisture to get out.  It may be a bit counter-intuitive, but leaving the door or window open on a cold but dry day will mean the shed is full of air that is cooler than the bike, and has a relatively low moisture content, so no condensation.  I could cite my bathroom experiment as evidence, but I don't want to bore everyone with theoretical thermodynamics. :!:
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Post  Catnapper on Thu Mar 03 2016, 21:59

Thanks bobh.
Ventilation is the secret so I may leave a couple of inches free of insulation on opposite sides top and bottom. But not on the side where it gets battered by the rain.
Sound good!!!!!
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Post  Radar on Thu Mar 03 2016, 23:21

I would also throw a couple of old blankets over the bike and then a dust cover.

My cat is kept in a cold detached garage and i find this works wonders.

I got the bike cover from Aldi for £8.99 a few years ago
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Post  robertcains on Fri Mar 04 2016, 16:15

All good replies so far, it really does depend on the building that you are insulating too, my current single skin brick garage which is insulated & dry lined seems to work well, when I used to keep my bike in a wooden shed it was a nightmare due (as Bob rightly says) to rapid temperature changes & timber sheds get very hot in summer, I didn't insulate my shed but placed four vents in pairs opposite each other, a very quick cheap fix which reduced the condensation by about 90%.
Had I not got a divorce from my lovely shed I probably would have added more vents or gone for the insulation route.
I did lots of homework when building my current garage & I was going to fit a small tube heater (greenhouse type) to keep damp out of the air but everyone said not to add heat in any form at all, seems to work too Wink
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Post  Catnapper on Fri Mar 04 2016, 16:58

Think I'm going to insulate and blankets first off see how it goes. Then maybe add vents if I get a problem . Once holes are drilled that's it. At least I can remove the insulation
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Post  robertcains on Fri Mar 04 2016, 17:29

You won't need to remove the insulation even if you do vent it,
If you do decide to cover the bike over its important to use a breathable cover.
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Post  Catnapper on Fri Mar 04 2016, 18:09

As Radar said. I'll probably use an old duvet I've got
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Post  Radar on Fri Mar 04 2016, 23:32

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Post  Robcat on Sat Mar 05 2016, 01:21

Yeah as all above, for gods sake, never get a metal/tin shed to keep a bike in.

As they are a condensation magnet, even with ventilation.

Linz's ninja is in a wooden shed now, did have 2 quilts and an oxford cover over it. Brilliant combo but then we had mice come to visit.
Well they just S*&^ and P%$££"! between the 2 quilts so they ended up being skipped. Ruined an expensive tent too they did. Grrrrrr.
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Post  0ldcat on Sat Mar 05 2016, 10:14

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Just my tuppence worth, but, if you have power in there, you could always add/install one of those inexpensive (did you see what I did there ?), kitchen extractor fans to assist with condensation/ventilation. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Post  Catnapper on Sat Mar 05 2016, 10:30

I can get power to it but only via an extension lead. Have to rip up floor boards upstairs right through if I wanted to hard wire it. Don't think so!!!!
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Post  0ldcat on Sat Mar 05 2016, 10:57

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Post  Catnapper on Sat Mar 05 2016, 12:13

Don't worry. I've been playing around with ideas on how to get power to it. Other option is to run around 50m of SWA cable around the outside of my house or over the roof!!!!! Shocked ponder
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Post  0ldcat on Sat Mar 05 2016, 12:36

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Post  Catnapper on Sat Mar 05 2016, 12:49

Keep looking at Daytona 675. But when there's nothing wrong with the Cat why bother.
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Post  Robcat on Sat Mar 05 2016, 13:01

I have one of those tube heaters near the bike in the shed. Only use it when it's around the freezing point though just to help out and the bike is all good. Tiss a 16ft x 10ft shed though. 

Mixed feelings about Triumphs I have. I know where there made but they are only assembled over here. 

Lots are good though but you do get quite a few problematic bikes.
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Post  Radar on Sat Mar 05 2016, 14:27

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Post  TT_mark on Sat Mar 05 2016, 19:09

Having read through these messages I feel I'm not treating my bike with respect.

It gets a heavy duty rain coat and sits outside.

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Post  Catnapper on Sat Mar 05 2016, 19:22

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:Having read through these messages I feel I'm not treating my bike with respect.  

It gets a heavy duty rain coat and sits outside.

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Post  Catnapper on Sat Mar 05 2016, 19:25

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:How about something like this? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
I'm going to wire up lights and sockets with a garage consumer unit but then run it temporary off an extension. A bit like a tourer caravan set up
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